knp org melayu suka berdengki?

[Luke]

skrg ni aku merasa dengki terhadap ashraf sinclar sbb dia dpt kawen dgn bunge

eventho aku x knal pun sape bunga or ashraf sblm ni.
tu baru tahap dengki yg minimun.

cth medium rare pulak ;

Jiran A telah melihat jirannya B agak kaya. dpt beli tv baru, kusi baru. terkenal dgn sifat mesra , disukai ramai. dek kerana jiran A ni jeles, maka dia start la spread rumors memburuk2 kan imej jiran B . Sehingga sampai ke tahap di mana jiran B seperti dipulaukan oleh satu kampung kerana fitnah yg tidak wujud.


cth yg lebih extravaganza;

kebanyakan org melayu takleh tgk org lain senang. Kalau cina drg buka kedai bersebelahan, keje drg akan bertanding tarik pelanggan.

Org melayu plak, kalau bukak kedai bersebelahan . Akan terdengar la cerita baling pasir kubur, tanam minyak mati dibunuh utk menjatuhkan kedai sblh.

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dato A hantar ilmu hitam kat dato B sbb nk menang jawatan ketua bahagian or project gov.

Kita melayu Islam. Islam pure , but mana2 je kita pergi, akan terdengar perkara syirik sbigini.

knp melayu? adakah ianya telah ditanam dlm kehidupan seharian kita? adakah ibu bapa kita mengajar kita utk berdengki , busuk hati dgn geng2 skolah? knp kita melayu yg beragama Islam melakukan perkara yg sah2 lari dr ajaran agama dan sifat2 moral itu sendiri ?

someone here care to shed an opinion?

[Phillus]

You are asking a simple question that requires a complex answer, you know...if you want the answer, you must reply some questions accordingly before you could even grasp the slightest clue of how to reply t this, Luke...

[Luke]

it doesn't make any sense to reply your own question. No need to ask if i already knew the answers.

on the other hand, this thread only got one replies from you. that shows the mentality of yakuzarians . most of them either aren't brave enough trying to shed an opinion, or rather just not smart enough to go in deep discussion and love to spam / brawl / flme non using brain threads.

[oddwolf]

imho, malays nowadays have lost their roots. all are after worldly gains. why else are they like this? if you balance out after life pursuits and worldly pursuits, things wouldn't have turn out like this.

if we malays are really muslims, and are following the true teachings of islam, we will not be like the ones in Luke's examples. we will always be thankful for what we have. we will always strive to better ourselves. we will not result in underhanded, dirty and unhonourable behaviours.

the statistics are againts us malays. we may govern the country, but the economy is control by the chinese (no offence, just stating the obvious). heck, when they appointed a chinese to head PKNS, what happened? they say that the malays will not be helped. malays will lose if this happens, etc etc. personally, i would prefer someone who can get the job done, so good move. name me one person in power now, or any other person who ones to be in power, who is a malay, that you think that can lead us forward? for me, not a single name comes out.

since we are touching on this matter, is the malay rights the cause, or one of the causes of the malay race to be what they are today? imho, yes. we are to use to the idea of 'ketuanan melayu'. when the fact is that, it is not malay rights (wondered when they changed that), it is bumiputra rights. so why are the other bumiputras treated differently. again, 'ketuanan melayu'.

flame me, mock me, contradict me. whatever it is, the truth is there for all to see. i was once proud to call myself a malay. i'm not to sure anymore. but at the same time i'm also not going to give up in re-establishing the malay race to its former state, even if the effort is as they say futile. because born i am a malay, and so shall i die a malay.

[Phillus]

Originally Posted by Luke

it doesn't make any sense to reply your own question. No need to ask if i already knew the answers.

...I want to tell you that you are asking a questions which definition is vague. Are you stating that the WHOLE Malays are filled with jealousy? In this case, I dare not to answer the topic here lest something bad happy to me just to voice out my opinion (sounds self-bragging, but yeah, just for safety reasons even though I might be sprouting nonsense or so), but I assume that NOT ALL MALAYS are living with over jealous on everything, because there's no absolute good/bad or superior/inferior ethnic or nationality.

Now, since you are asking the question in a forum, I will go really lax with this since it's not a report or so.

The first thing that when you say "why Malays likes to be jealous" is similar to the question "why the jews are so greedy". By the time when you are speaking of things regarding about an ethnic, the first thing you must spot is there background. Chinese lives under thousands of years under Confucianism(and Buddhism at a later period), Western will be the teaching of Jesus Christ and the Muslims will be the teaching of Allah.

Then again, you must understand their History. Chinese like food and respect them so high that there's a saying "Food is the heaven(or can be refer to as god) of the citizens), but why? One of the reasons that there were many warring period and famine in the ancient time so much that they began to respect food and treat it with extreme care. But now, you will see wasting but the background still resides within us.

Now, we have both background + history to spot the answer. Besides the teaching of Islam, there should be something else that influence the Malays (I mean books or even the saying of the wise). So what do the Malays have? I don't know. But once you get something that is powerful to decide an ethnic, it will be the answer to many questions of the ethnic itself.

So let us see the word 'jealousy'. I am sure that people will know the meaning and how it happens. Thus it's time to see the brief history of Malaysia since the time Parameswara landed in Melaka. Malaysia had a "Kingdom of Melaka"(or what it is called) that reign for roughly a century, and then, the whole Melaya *****ula was ruled by the Portuguese, then the Dutch, following by the English, Japan and English again. So compare the reign of Malays to others, the time is obviously short and then you'll be seeing that how the western ransacked the land and built what they actually want. So the land of the Malays were overruled by those western Pendatang Asing, which is more advanced in terms of culture, power, wealth and knowledge, so it's unlikely that 'envy' will happen here, so 'jealousy' sprout.

I want to restate that I am first stating a point here which could be right or wrong, yet has to be verified. So this is yet something for every yakuzarians to discuss. Since my post is too long for the forum standard, I'll summarize it.

1) I am spotting the answer of this discussing by Cultural background and History.

2) There should be some sort of teaching or wisdom passed down since the ancient time by the Malays, but yet to be replied here to correspond to the 'cultural background' part.

3) The Malay Peninsula was ruled by the foreign for centuries, longer than the local Malay kings of the past. Thus there might be possibilities that this could be one of the many reasons that has implanted in the shadows of every fellow Malays.

[aily]

i found it hard to understand the whole post of urs phill, dengki ni sesuatu yg lahir dari hati. dan ade bnyk faktor yang menyebabkan ia berlaku.. dengki itu sendiri mmg sifat semula jadi manusia kerana peristiwa qabil n habil pun berlaku kerana wujud hasad dengki.. jadi tidak timbul isu bangsa sbnrnya. cina pun ade yg mendengki ngn kaumnya.. indian pun sama.. cuma yang membezakan mereka dan malay adalah integrity. jati diri dan kesedaran utk memartabatkan bangsa. bila kita syg bangsa kita, kita akn bantu bangsa kita utk maju. soal dengki akn menjadi perkara ke2 kerana matlamat kita adalah membangunkan bangsa. tetapi hakikat yang nyata skarang,org melayu mmg kurang jati diri, pentingkan diri sendiri, tidak bersifat kolektif, bodoh sombong dan sempit pemikiran.. terlalu ramai golongan2 ortodoks didalam melayu. kita masih memandang sejarah keagungan melaka tetapi tidak mempelajari sesuatu darinya. kenapa kita hanya pandang kebelakang tetapi tidak mahu mengambil iktibar darinya? kenapa kita tidak bersatu kembali membina keagungan kita setaraf seperti kerajaan melaka suatu ketika dulu?

[exe_hunter]

-aggh! how to say this... I dont know.. I guess I have no brain to discuss this thread(but I iz not a bad member). Suma Melayu yang aku jumpa kat Sabah taklah gitu teruk sangat, lagipun aku ada best friend orang Melayu. They seem content living here I guess their envious matter vanished while the assimilating lifestyle and environment here. I don't really know how iz on the west side, one week over there iz not enough for me to understand. Suma cerita buruk sal Melayu dengki2 ni pon terbaca kat e-mail, blog dsb. Flaming & blaming each other...no end

-I iz shame coz cannot give good comments/discussion/opinions

[successsor]

sejarah telah membuktikan melayu mmg dari zaman melayu melaka lagi suka berdengki... sebab tu kerajaan melaka jatuh dlu... pemikiran seperti nie memerlukan usaha sehingga berabad lamanya untuk berubah. begitu juga untuk menjadikan melayu sehebat zaman melayu melaka juga memerlukan berabat lamanya untuk kita berubah. sebab kita pun dah dijajah berabat lamanya.

[Luke]

Phill, u have a point there. We were conquered by too many other advance races could be the reason but not enough. because this sort of jealousy has existed even before we were conquered.

Tun Mutahir which is an Indian Muslim was appointed as P.M at the time by Sultan Ahmad Shah. As usual, there's a disagreement and jealousy inside gov itself and they made rumors, and accuse that Tun Mutahir tries to take everything for granted which ended in Sultan killed him without further investigation.

But tun mutahir ain't that holy either. he causes this ongoing jealousy by being one sided wth his indian pals. This was according to history in textbooks k? i didn't make it up.

another examples would be johor state. the reign of sultanate johor. The fights between two brothers who want to reign johor.

So yes, this dengki jealous thing has existed 800 years before.

@oddwolf. I'm not sure if it had something to do with social contract. kalau kt tgk pd kontrak tersebut, semua org melayu mempunyai peluang utk memajukan diri . tp still kita bersifat dengki dan cemburu. Cthnyala, gov bagi aid dlm bukak bisnes. Masing ada peluang bukak bisnes but still end up Shop A hantar pasir kubur kat Shop B . pasal x leh tgk org lain senang? Takde niat nk bersaing secara bermaruah. mesti guna cara yg mengaibkan. bad mouth etc.

beside the thing is, we do not oppose other race. we are condemning our own race. that's the problem.


and most of the reason for this dengki jealousy are really simple.

A. i couldn't take it when someone else is above me
B. i couldn't take it when someone else gets what i want
C. i couldn't take it when someone else have what i don't have.

saja nk cerita. kat tempat aku , di mana2 je boleh dgr cerita psl janda A terkena buatan org sbb , ramainya lelaki tua yg gatal nk berkahwin dgn janda A . bukan sbb benar2 nak jaga janda A , tp lebih kerana nakkan harta. Bila tak dpt, drg usahakan pulak utk janda A td bercerai dgn suaminya yg baru. Bukan sbb suami dia tu org jahat. tp hanya kerana x puas hati , dirinya gagal mendapat janda A.

to the point tht u could say that within 10 rich widows , 10 of those had the same problems. Anywhere.. not just here where i'm staying.

any religion also would state ;

we should be grateful
we shld not have ill intention to others
we should try to improve ourselves

malays are obviously does not follow Islam's teaching.

another thing , look at us now ? the first thing gov do , we condemn. pegi bulan? condemn. buat kereta proton? condemn. kibar jalur gemilang? condemn. bukak giant terbesar ? condemn. malaysia boleh? condemn.

and if we saw someone succeed in what ever they're doing. the first thing we could hear is , " oh that guy cheated. must be he paid some ransom to get what he get " instead of congratulations.

not just us, other races too. the terms "malaysia boleh" itself is being used for jokes and laugh at.

mcm kata aily td. takde smgt jati diri dlm kita. xde smgt nk membantu bangsa. takde smgt nk tgk kaum sendiri naik. takde smgt sygkan tanah air. masing2 bersifat selfish, buruk hati, prasangka menjatuhkan org lain.

this is more and likely like a plague. I might be able to help my family from being one of those that condemns other verbally . but i couldn't protect them from others around me. it's really worrying. just where did my race went wrong?

[ApeKsS]

org mlayu belom ape2 dah ader PHD...takyah blajo tinggi2
i mean P=perasaan H=Hasad D=dengki....

huhuh